>> if syria lets them go in some way. but i think you face a number of countries that have these capabilities and they are not -- there was a certain -- when you were dealing with great powers, if you will, you had more confidence in terms of the control systems, in terms of reduced risk of these weapons getting out of the hand of the government or of the military, and i think that the worry that people have now, i think, you know, people always ask us, you know, what is your biggest nightmare? well, it is a weapon of mass destruction falling in the hands of the terrorists, and we were very fortunate with al qaeda, we know al qaeda was trying their darnedest to get nuclear weapons and chemical weapons and so on. so far, they appear to have paid in that. >> rose: where did they come the closest? >> we had a bad scare i am trying to remember, maybe in 2009, 2010 when we thought one of those groups along the pakastani border may have gotten some nuclear material, but it turned out it was a false report it was not true but it